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Killer Saint by Tsaritza-Mika Killer Saint by Tsaritza-Mika
First time I merged three separate pics into one. Not too shabby, except I realized AFTER the fact, that I should have flipped it. His scar is on the wrong side.

Meh, still looks cool though
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DilbertnaKabuto Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like this. The problem is the scar obviously; it should be on the right side than the left side. But regardless, you done a damn good job on this piece!
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
it looks nice, but when you make a messup like that, you take it down and redo it. it's inaccurate to the character, and makes you look like you don't know what you're doing.

And as you well know, not everyone reads Artist comments. Besides, why do all your Kashim X Kaname pictures make her look like a desert sex slave? She straight up looks like one of those girls that got kidnapped and sold into slavery on the Black market.
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Tsaritza-Mika Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're so cute when you think you've hurt my feelings ^^ <33~~
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I actually don't care about your feelings. I'm not so petty to try and flame someone, I was just telling you how a professional handles the situation.

I also noticed how you avoided answering anyone who made a valid argument to your petty comment. But I won't get into that here since it has nothing to do with the picture.
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Tsaritza-Mika Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You must really not be so petty, considering that you weren't doing a very good job of it to begin with.

Awww, and here *I* thought I just didn't give a flying fuck about how the rest of your little cronies felt about me. u.u;;; Next time they actually *make* a valid argument, maybe I'll consider replying.
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
An 82 year old woman read you like a book and I don't think you bothered replying to her. You just say 'wasn't worth replying to' when someone makes a good point you don't feel like thinking up an answer to.
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Tsaritza-Mika Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
And you don't bother reading thought-out replies because you know they have the facts that prove you undeniably wrong. So I guess that makes us even. You gonna actually get a life yet? or maybe laid? Cause you're uninformed arguments are getting just annoying at this point. >.>
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
They are informed, they just don't cite the same source that you do. But they still cite canon sources, just like yours.

I get laid nightly by my wife because I'm an adult. Thank you.

Talk about lame insults. At least mine based in Astrology can be somewhat proven. Yours are just you talking out of your ass.

As far as having a life, I'm active at my son's school, I go to work, I pay bills, I have hobbies and vacations... I do things. Things aside from Full Metal Panic! and dA.

It's sad. FMP is such a great story. But people like you ruin it for others by making these tired old arguments over things that don't even matter. Just enjoy the anime and the fanart rather than arguing over what someone decides to write in a fanfic, considering you have pictures in YOUR gallery that show an adult Sousuke as "Kashim" with long hair and desert garb.

I could argue that he doesn't go by Kashim any more, he hates the name and he hates being called by it. And that he has a short haircut. Well, at least shorter than the damn near Vincent Valentine inspired stuff he had when he was, what? eight? Or is that from another spin off that I don't acknowledge?

The fact of the matter is, thats how you decide to express your fandom. And even though it's inaccurate to the novel, manga, or anime, I'm not going to troll you for it because that's your fandom.

That's the difference between us.
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Tsaritza-Mika Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
didn't you just call that kiddy porn on the other page? please make up your mind before you try again. You're just trying too hard to impress now >.>
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BontaKun117 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011
Back off, jackass. There are literally hundreds of other users on here far more deserving of criticism than Mika here. You really want to make fun of someone, I suggest you start with anyone that thinks that Sousuke is of Middle Eastern descent and work your way up the list of FMP! "fans" that don't know shit.

Boss wallpaper, Mika, regardless of the mistake.
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Sorry, but the Wikia disagrees with you as do the majority of the fans. Not to mention the fact that if someone's racism of the culture of a non-existent character is troll-worthy, I would think that screwing up something as simple and non-arguable as what side of his face the scar is on, is moreso.

And again, I wasn't trying to drag that argument all around DA. I guess this "fan's" friends are just as petty as SHE is.
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BontaKun117 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011
Now that entire comment is simply out of line. At what point did I say ANYTHING about Sousuke being better or worse off for where he was born? I quite literally could not possibly care less where someone is from so long as they are worthwhile human beings in my eyes. I was merely using the first example that came to mind. And saying that a Wikia - which are notorious for bad information - and the fandom - which is composed of people, most of whom are beyond stupid - is not helping your case. You want proof that Sousuke's Japanese, read the first novel. It's stated on either page 41 or page 42 ([link]). Also, as Misha pointed out, that is a simple mistake that even Shikidoji (the ORIGINAL ARTIST) makes from time to time.

And come now. This was nothing more than an escalation of force. You attacked my friend, and so did what any man in my position should: I stood up and fought back. Just back off, let it be, and go on living your life. Hell, for all I care, you can wear a goddamn sign around your neck saying "Sousuke's from Afghanistan" or anything else your heart desires. Just don't attack those I care about and there won't be a problem.
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
If you didn't care what race Sousuke is, then why get involved?
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BontaKun117 Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011
Because A: I detest the spread of stupidity, especially when the truth is presented in a clear and concise manner; and B: as previously stated, you verbally attacked my friend, which I find unacceptable.
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
After she verbally attacked tehautysama and indirectly insulted me. So what you're saying is that it's okay for her to bully others, but when others retaliate, you'll run to your rescue just because she's your friend, not because she's right. Boy, being a Leo, she must LOVE that.

And again, several details are different between the manga and the novel. Tehautysama never said Mika was wrong. Just that they thought differently. I don't think Sousuke would ever go by Kashim as an adult, and it's horribly canonly inacurate. But I don't have this same fit on her page on her pictures. I was drawn to THIS picture because of the horrible canon mistake that she is too lazy to fix. While you're crusading against ignorance, why not hit some Sloth too?
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BontaKun117 Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011
Look, skippy: you've got a superiority complex. It pisses me off - a lot. However, I can't do anything about it at present. So how about we both go our separate ways, forget each other exists, and you hope and pray to never meet me in a dark alley. I'm done wasting time on some jackass who thinks that the Ptolemaic Zodiac matters for snot.
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kittymisha Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
So you're saying the original FMP artist doesn't know what she's doing? [link]
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ToAtoneArt Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2011  Professional Writer
This is a manga scan. [link] and this [link] and this [link] all show the scar on the left side, but this piece of art shows it on the right. So yes, if the original artist made your example, I'M saying she was wrong.

Also, the artist herself said it was on the wrong side, so literally no on is agreeing with you here, even the original artist. Sorry.
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
The artist of THIS PIECE admitted that the scar was placed on the wrong side. the picture you showed me as an example was more than likely mirrored. Even conceptual designs of him show his scar on his left cheek. This is a stupid argument that I'm obviously in the right of, because as I said: the artist actually said so in her artist comments. Yeah, I actually read those things.

Also, I'll point out that when translated, this website seems to say that the picture is not done by the original artist, but a random illustrator for one of the novels.

Shoji Gatoh is the original author for Full Metal Panic! and is a MALE. [link] So any "she" isn't going to be the original artist. Check your information. By the way, the fact that you seem to not even know WHO originally made FMP REALLY puts holes in all your guys' "Sousuke is Japanese" logic.

Don't think I don't know you're associated with this random person who decided to troll someone based off of their opinion. Which I'll also point out, at my last count, there was six people as well as three Japanese websites, the wikipedia and wikia all stating or inferring that Sousuke is Middle Eastern and only three people have said that he isn't.
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kittymisha Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
And I just realized what quote I have in my signature. It's from one of the side stories called Kagemusha no Showbiz. It's a story about a Japanese actor named Kousuke Kira, who looks exactly like Sousuke but without the scar, switching places with Sousuke for a day. Kousuke was just about to start an action TV drama, and so Sousuke actually does quite well in his place. Kousuke, on the other hand, fails miserably at being Sousuke. If Sousuke weren't Japanese, how exactly would this story be possible? I think the students would have noticed Sousuke suddenly being a different race, and the same of Kousuke's manager for him.
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
That's such an old anime gimmick... who cares?

Not to mention, one of my roommates is Mexican and looks almost identical to me. People confuse us for brothers. But I'm Caucasian. So to think that race is THAT obvious just to look at someone, you must be racist or ignorant.

Hell, as another example, my wife is a mixture of black, caucasian, and traceable Japanese. When I met her I thought she was Indian(Hindu). Her mother is black with traceable Japanese, and people have confused her with being brazilian or dominican republic several times.

Hell, in Death Note Matsuda thinks L is Japanese based Strictly off of his dialect, his dark hair, and his eyes. And Seiichriou Yagami has to correct him with the fact that L is British. So no, race is not as obvious as you think. Unless you're 100% of one race, and even then, it's subjective. Japanese men are typically almost brown skinned with dark hair and eyes. But in anime they're typically depictated as pale, looking almost caucasian except for exceptions like Akira. I'll also point out that Sousuke is the darkest character in Shindai academy. And all the other students who are supposed to be Japanese.
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kittymisha Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
You don't really know much about Eastern Asian culture, do you? They've been incredibly xenophobic until recently, and remember that they can see the differences between Japanese/Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese/etc. They would know the difference between a Japanese guy, and a Middle Eastern.

Let me explain something about genetics: The dominant genes will have the greatest effect on the child.

Between black and Eastern Asian, black is typically dominant. Your mother-in-law being confused with Brazilian or Dominican does not surprise me, mainly because I've known many Brazilian and Dominicans who have been (to their aggravation) mistaken for being black. Mistaking your wife's race, considering she is a mutt, is also not surprising. People like to sort things into simply labelled boxes. You were reminded of Indian traits, and so you labelled her there. How in the hell would you ever guess, unless it was your profession, and even then it'd be impressive, that she was "black, caucasian, and traceable Japanese." People mistaking Mexican with Caucasian isn't too surprising. Depends on the person, some Caucasians can look pretty "Mexican" and some Mexicans can look pretty Caucasian. And since people are seeing the two of you together, they probably aren't thinking you're two separate, if you share even some remote similar characteristics. Again, people like to place people into neat little boxes, so they make assumptions. Does mean they're well-reasoned.

Sousuke is tanned and weathered from the amount of time he spent exposed to the elements. I'd be more confused if he WASN'T portrayed with darker skin. And, by the way, the school is Jindai Municipal High School. No Shindai. No Academy. You don't even know the name of the school they attend, and you think you know the series? Now, I can't speak about Death Note, as I've never seen/read it, and have no desire to, particularly not just to fact check someone who doesn't even know the basic information about the series that is the current topic.
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I've got more culture in my own flesh and blood, than I would wager you do at your own neighborhood.

I know this information quite well. Thank you. It doesn't change my argument at all.

The skinny on the whole thing is, I love to believe that the world has come far enough that we can actually have a story with a mixed race love interest without people going haywire. I'd actually lose a lot of love for FMP as a whole if I found out without a shadow of a doubt that Sousuke is 100% Japanese. It doesn't even make sense for someone who is half way across the world from Kaname, to randomly wind up at her school (Yes, sorry I misspelled it earlier, I'm human.) who just happens to be full Japanese and THATS gotta be the guy she gets with.

I also find it interesting that Sousuke could be so weathered and tan after spending three months at the bottom of the ocean while in the Du'dannan. Tanning is not permanent and fades away after a month of little to no sun. Thats why people are so pale during the winter. These are simple facts. You must not have a lot of color in your area.

It's racist, played and boring. And I'm sorry if you and your group of friends are all of these things and hope that such a dynamic and realistic story (to even feature homosexuality and pedophilia) would be so culturally closed off as that as well.

I'm getting bored with this conversation, as well as you and your hypocrisy. I won't answer many more times. I have a real life and an evening to get on with. And unlike you, I come to dA to enjoy myself and talk to friends, not troll people on how they express their fandom. Which, I'll point out, Many of Mika's pictures, that she did for you, are extremely inaccurate to the anime/manga/novel.
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kittymisha Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
You must never have lived in a beach town. When people get really tan, they stay tan for a long time. And the TDD only deploys for 2 weeks at a time. The only exception to this was when Mithril was destroyed, and their base on Merida Island taken over by Amalgam. And, not to mention, Merida is a tropical island. It doesn't have a "winter" in the sense you mean it.

I would still love FMP if Sousuke wasn't Japanese. But he IS. And this whole stupid argument stemmed from us politely explaining that and having "It's this way because the wiki says so" as the only "valid" argument any of you could come up with. Okay, fine. Plenty of people believe the wikis. So I try to explain where in the original source material the truth can be found, as well as providing information for finding it, and I had the same response thrown at me. This never would have gotten nasty if you could have come up with a reasonable argument, and weren't throwing my attempts to be friendly and informative back in my face. Do I expect to be trusted at my word, as Random Person #3? No. This is why I cite the sources. And this is why I say how they can be found for yourself.

From "A Voice From the North" which you can find at MisterV's livejournal. This is how Sousuke came to be in the wrong part of the world: Sousuke, as a 4-or-5 year old child, was on a plane that was going from London to Tokyo when it crashed in the Arctic Ocean. A Russian sub happened upon it, and Kalinin was one of the Spetsnaz soldiers aboard. He went on the search-and-rescue, came across a Japanese woman and her child, as well as a dead Japanese man who may or may not have been Sousuke's father. As the only person who could speak Japanese, he communicated with her. They took the two, and the ice started cracking, the plane breaking, and in the excitement, the mother was lost. Now all they had was the Japanese boy. When they docked, Kalinin handed him over to a KGB agent who was supposed to find the boy's home. Instead, Sousuke was put into a Russian program for child soldiers. When he was 8, he was sent to assassinate General Majhid and failed. The man took pity on the child and adopted him into the Mujahideen, and gave him the name Kashim.

The rest is, as they say, history.

I never trolled. I stated honestly that I loved the lineart of that picture, and politely explained why Sousuke was Japanese. I had that politeness thrown in my face. When the artist stated that she was done with the argument, I stopped posting out of respect. I hadn't stopped because I had run out of valid arguments. I'm not sure where exactly this hypocrisy of mine is. Care to point it out, so that I understand? It's most likely a communication error.

And yes, Mika's pictures are Alternate Universe. But Sousuke's still Japanese in them. It's just a "what-if" as though he had never left Afghanistan. Mika wrote a very nice fanfiction about Kaname having been kidnapped and taken to a facility there, which Sousuke and the Mujahideen then hit, and this is how they meet in that 'verse. One that she did a lot of research for to make sure it was as accurate to what canon-facts could still be taken into consideration, as well as to the culture and geography of the location.
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kittymisha Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
TL;DR
Shikidouji is the ARTIST. Shouji Gatoh is the AUTHOR.

Sousuke is Japanese because several of the actual novels state so. And so do your precious wiki and wikia, but I don't like to cite those because anyone can update them.

This is a photo manipulation, not a drawing, and the original image of Sousuke was flipped.

Mika is my friend. She is not me. I was quite friendly and had no "troll" intent.
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Actually, the wiki and wikia both state that he's afghanistan. You can check them yourself. And the novels are largely unrelated to the manga save when the crossover was interjected for different novels. The wiki also states that the novels are a SPIN OFF of the manga. Comparable to the Cleveland Show and Family guy.

A lot of mangaka do this; Happy Lesson, Maburaho... in fact, they're all mostly High School anime related. Hell, in Happy Lesson the main character isn't even the same even though the plot is mostly unchanged.
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kittymisha Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
(*sigh* Why am I still bothering...?)

The novels are the original story. The first manga, drawn by Retsu Tateo, came next. The first season of anime came third. Then the doujinshi that was published, FMP! Overload/Ikinari FMP. Then Fumoffu. The Second Raid and Sigma came out about the same time. All the while, the novels continuing, because they're the real story. So if you want your facts straight, they are the appropriate source to read.

From the wiki: Nationality Japanese
From the wikia: Sousuke is of Japanese descent.

Also from the wiki: The series has been adapted into different media; including three animated television series: Full Metal Panic! by Gonzo in 2002, Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu and Full Metal Panic! The Second Raid by Kyoto Animation in 2003 and 2005 respectively. An OVA was also released in 2006; and five different manga series.

ADAPTED INTO MANGA. That means it's not the original. FFS, I must have issues to continue arguing with someone who can't read basic English. Am I talking too complex for you? Is this the issue? Shall I treat you like a 5 year old? Because you're proving that I must, if there is going to be any accuracy in the communication between us.
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
And yet, it also says that the novels are a spin off.. hmm.
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kittymisha Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Are you talking about "Full Metal Panic: Another" the spin-off that takes place 11 years after the end of the Full Metal Panic novel series, and is written by Naoto Oguro, though overseen by Shouji Gatoh?

Yeah. I think you are.
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kittymisha Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
You... don't know anything, do you?

There is a difference between an "author" and an "artist." If you check the covers of any of the novels, you'll notice they say "Written by Shouji Gatoh. Art by Shikidouji." So, this artist's blog that I linked you to IS the official artist of FMP. And the line she wrote here: 傷が左右逆。 says that the scar is on the wrong side. She noticed it. She just posted it anyways, as it's not like it was being printed in one of the books. It isn't mirrored, everything else is in the right place, she just put the scar on the wrong side. Honest mistake. And she's been drawing that character professionally for over a decade.

And yeah, the artist of this piece said it was on the wrong side. She also said this was a photo manipulation. SHE actually did mirror a picture of Sousuke that had the scar on the proper side, and just didn't reverse it again when she had finished the task. It's pretty amazing, really. You went looking for an image of hers that you could rag on, and the one thing that wasn't actually drawn by her is the only thing you can find fault with.

The wiki and wikia you keep lovingly saying has him listed as Middle Eastern both say he's Japanese. Kinda puts a big hole in your argument, when the only thing you can cite as agreeing with you, doesn't. And as for there being so few people, well, the "fight" was on her page, meaning it was primarily her people who would see it. And it's also likely that the people who knew better, but follow the artist, didn't want to get in a fight on a page with someone they otherwise enjoy. We didn't call in people to go tell her (and you) how wrong you are, so it was just us. And I won't. Honestly, this was never supposed to turn into such a big deal. We cited actual sources, which sane people recognize as being accurate and then back off. You are not the first people I have come across that think this, but when I told those others where they could find the real information (because I never say "It's this way because I say so" or "It's this way because that wiki thing that any jack-off can update says so") they realized their mistake and thanked me for the information.

Yes, I am "associated" with this person. She's my best friend, and a friend IRL for that matter. But that doesn't mean I'm her or have the same intent as her. I had posted on your friend's picture because FMP is something that I love, I love talking about it, and I love meeting people who enjoy it. I had never meant for things to become a fight. I was just pointing out, in a friendly manner, where she could find the correct information, and her response essentially said "You're wrong because the internet says so." Not "You're wrong because of this part of the story that says as much." If you can cite something from the actual series that says he's Middle Eastern, then I'll believe it. But I know several scenes that say he's Japanese, so it won't happen.
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Wow, talk about tl;dr.

This is really starting to get boring. This is at least twice the length my message was. I'm actually not bothering reading it, instead of just throwing out internet slang to seem cool like you obviously did.
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kittymisha Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I said "tl;dr" and "IRL" and that's me "throwing out internet slang to seem cool"? So sorry, I didn't realize two acronyms would offend your delicate sensibilities.
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BluSilvrPaladin Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Acronyms like those started on the internet. So it's internet slang. But besides that, you said 'tl;dr' to a message I sent, and then sent me something twice as long. You just said that because you didn't WANT to read it. Or, since you responded to some points that I DID make, it shows you DID read it, and just said that as a way of trying to blow me off. It obviously didn't work.
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kittymisha Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Ah, see, this is a communication error. The TL;DR post was basically short-hand of my long post. I replied directly to you so that it would go into your inbox, in case you responded straight from there, so that it would not be missed.
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Nameless75 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2011
YEA xD
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